Joseph Prince’s Theology – An encounter

This is the first in what may be a series of posts. From the onset, I want to make it clear I do not have anything against Pastor Joseph Prince as a person. I do believe he is a brother in Christ and desires to make the gospel of Jesus known. What I am concerned about is his theology. Let me begin by sharing a true life story (I shall use short forms for names for privacy).

It was several years ago when an acquaintance of mine, J, contacted me with an unusual request. She wanted me to visit and pray for someone. Uncle J was a patient she was attending to and he had been diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. The reason why it seemed an unusual request was because I knew J to be quite antagonistic towards the Christian faith. When I ventured to ask why she asked me to visit and pray for Uncle J, she replied in essence, “You’re the only sane Christian I know. Some others have been coming to visit and saying weird things to him.”

It turned out that Uncle J and his family attended New Creation Church (NCC). J recounted several instances of what his cellgroup/church mates had been telling him. Without going into details, it invariably involved Uncle J being completely healed of his cancer. There was one particular instance I remember. I was visiting Uncle J in the hospital when several of his friends from NCC came to visit. They encouraged him, prayed for him, and then suggested that he take holy communion. *As an aside, this seems like a core tenet of Pastor Joseph’s/NCC’s theology – healing through partaking the holy communion. However, they did not check with the doctor/nurse whether it was ok for Uncle J to do so. And soon after Uncle J took the communion, his body started rejecting the elements, he started vomiting.

After I visited Uncle J a couple of times, things seemed to be looking up. Uncle J seemed to be responding to cancer treatment (chemotherapy). He was not losing weight as before. My acquaintance, J, was delighted. I jokingly told her, “Those New Creation people aren’t so bad after all”, but she would have none of it.

Fast forward several months, when out of the blue, I received a message from J. She said, “Uncle J is dying. He may not make it through the night.” I rushed down to his house immediately. When I arrived at Uncle J’s home, a group of his church friends were already there. They were singing songs of worship and proclaiming and praying complete healing over Uncle J. And I had an internal struggle. Now, I do believe that God is the God of miracles, I do believe He can heal cancer if He so desires. But it’s not always His will here on earth to eradicate all sickness and disease; and this was contradictory to what they were telling Uncle J. They were telling Uncle J he was going to be healed.

At close to midnight, the group from NCC were leaving. Said their goodbyes to the tune of “see you in the morning”. Half an hour later, I was sitting by Uncle J’s bed, along with J, and Uncle J’s wife, Aunty S. And Uncle J breathed his final breath. Uncle J was dead.

What should I do? I did what I believe God would have wanted me to. I gathered Uncle J’s family and prayed for them and comforted them with the assurance from the Word of God. That eternal life is Uncle J’s because of faith in Jesus Christ. That heaven was his final resting place, away from sickness and pain and sorrow. That there would be a grand reunion because heaven is the eternal home for all believers in Christ.

In the days following, I visited Aunty S. She had questions and struggles. And it was along the lines of, “Why did God allow this to happen? Was it a lack of faith on Uncle J’s part? But Uncle J really believed that he would be healed. In fact, that’s why he WENT OFF CHEMO (I didn’t know that). :(”

Those few visits after Uncle J’s death was tough, but I had the opportunity to share with her what Scripture said and perhaps present her with the possible flaws in NCC theology. At the end of the day, the most important thing was to help Aunty S re-connect with God, and not be disappointed with Him. (end)

ps: The motivation behind this post (and perhaps more to follow) is to discuss theology. I have many friends from NCC, and so I risk alienating them or losing their friendship. But theology is important. Pastor Joseph Prince often emphasises the importance of right believing, and I agree. And I would add this: right believing must come out of right theology. I hope my contribution will add to this pursuit.

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31 thoughts on “Joseph Prince’s Theology – An encounter

  1. Hi thanks for your input Aaron, you mentioned right believing warrants right theology this is the crux of your entire excerpt. Where in principle has jospeh prince gone wrong in his interpretation of the gospel, regarding grace. Which in essence is the crux of his ministry. Since you have some influence over the youth, i think it’s important for you to go into details with regards to your position on his flawed interpretation of theology. And also in your own interpretation with reference and context from the Word Of God enlighten us on what your position is with regards to the ministry of healing with regards to Jesus Christ.

  2. Thanks Kenan for this dialogue. There are many good resources by people far more capable than I that have addressed the concerns. Dr. Michael Brown’s book “Hyper Grace” is one. Another is this article I’m linking to: http://www.johnburton.net/2014/01/03/joseph-prince-false-grace-and-the-risk-of-millions-falling-away/

    I don’t necessarily agree with everything both sources talk about, but there are points worth considering. In my coming (probably) posts, I will be examining some aspects of Pastor Prince’s teaching that may be worth discussing. May God bless you!

  3. Hi Aaron,

    A mutual friend linked me to your website and I happened to read this post on your thoughts about praying for healing.

    Being brought up a conservative Christian, I have always wondered about how I should be praying for the sick and dying. I never fail to end off my prayers with ‘May Your will be done’ and have always been cautious about believing in healing. In the recent years, some of my close friends starting following Bethel and their teachings. They are also huge believers of praying for miraculous healings. As I pondered over it, I remembered this passage on how King David prayed for his ailing son (2 Samuel 12: 13-23). Verses 22-23 were especially helpful to me:

    “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept. I thought, ‘Who knows? The Lord may be gracious to me and let the child live.’ But now that he is dead, why should I go on fasting? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.”

    This is similar to what my friends said about how Bethel preaches praying for healing. You would never know if God would decide to heal someone or not. He has the ultimate sovereignty. But since we don’t know, why not pray and believe He might. Seeing things this way has helped me to be more daring in my prayer for healing.. Just like how King David prayed for his son. We know how it ended.. the child died.. But while someone is still living, there’s always hope for a miracle healing.
    Just sharing my thoughts.

  4. Hi Syl, thanks for taking time to pen your thoughts. And I do agree with most of what you just shared! 🙂 My apprehension is when it is assumed and taught that all the promises of the New Covenant are always available to all believers in the here and now. Theologians call this over-realised eschatology. God willing, I will follow up on this with a later blog post. May God bless you!

  5. “I do believe He can heal cancer if He so desires. But it’s not always His will here on earth to eradicate all sickness and disease; and this was contradictory to what they were telling Uncle J. They were telling Uncle J he was going to be healed.”
    ===

    I came from the Methodist tradition before, so I understand that, while we have no problems leading non Christians to the sinners’ prayer and can so confidently tell them that their sins are forgiven after that, we usually find it a lot more difficult praying for healing. The former don’t need proof while the latter seems to need, especially when healing does not take place immediately after prayer, or if the person pass away despite the prayer..

    But just because you believe that it may not be his will, it does not mean that you are correct and NCC’s belief is wrong. After all, verses like Psalms 103:2-3 and Romans 8:32 tell us quite clearly about God’s will regarding healing.

    1. Hey Kelvin, don’t I know you from Campus Crusade for Christ NUS? 😀

      Anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I was intending to elaborate more about this in another post. Short answer: what I replied SYL above – the danger of over-realised eschatology. But let’s continue to dialogue more! God bless!

      1. Ahh, nice to only realized today you are serving full time in St Andrews School.

        Sure, would love to dialogue on such issues. My Christian journey was from Methodist, to “traditional” Charismatic, and to Word of Faith, the last of which is the one most closely related to NCC.

        Through the journey, I often reflect a lot on the similarities and differences between them, so it would be nice to discuss with others like yourself too!

  6. Hi Aaron,
    Dr Brown is not an authority on this issue. I follow his ministry and I read his book on this topic. It has some merits but it also contains wrong understanding. John Burton’s site on this topic is derived from a Chace Gordon, who wrote a very long essay, listing out many of JP’s sentences and phrases… but he showed very little understanding of hermeneutics or logic. I chatted briefly with John Burton and he supported Chace, but he is certainly not any authority on the scriptures judging by what he wrote at his site… And if you come across Justin Peters old site, you will need to note he made his remarks (I guess he was very busy) based on what he heard about JP’s New York interview….though he has a lot of good points about the Word of Faith movement.

    Our task is to believe what He says in the Word and also follow the example of what the Lord did on earth, healing the sick. If for some reasons, Uncle J is recalled back early, it is not for us to stop believing He wants to give us good, favour and grace. We do not know the full circumstances, neither God’s purpose for this situation. If a saint is martyred, does it mean the Father does not care about His saints?

    1. Dear EYANKY, thanks for taking time to pen your thoughts. You are absolutely right when you say “our task is to believe what He says in the Word”. And therefore the task of hermeneutics and exegesis is important. In my follow up post, God willing, I will address concerns in Pastor Prince’s teaching. Like my friend Kelvin (above) and yourself have mentioned, I believe Pastor Prince does trace his beliefs from the Word of Faith movement, which should set off warning lights at the very least. May God bless you!

  7. By the way, dear brothers and sisters, while it is impossible for me to engage with each and every one of you in every single point you bring up, I’d like to recommend a resource that would aid us in our pursuit of knowing God and His ways through His Word (worth its weight in gold).

    https://www.crossway.org/books/taking-god-at-his-word-hcj/

    Looking further ahead, time/God permitting, further posts concerning theology can only be useful if there’s some basis of proper exegesis/hermeneutics. We may not all agree, but at least we can grow together. God bless!

  8. I came out from the Word of Faith. Like Kelvin, I started from a parachurch organisation, baptized and worshipped at a Methodist church for some years, then became an Anglican and then a charismatic Anglican, before being involved with WOF and finally, in a grace church. Look forward to a good discourse on this. And hope this will be done with good intentions in love.

  9. Hi Aaron. I wanted to post in your post regarding city harvest but since u closed the comments there i thought i still wanted to let you know here that i’m really encouraged by the way you refused to let the conversations be overtly antagonistic nor fuel heated debates on your blog. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with grace and wisdom. May the Lord guide you and may your words continue to be like apples of gold in settings of silver.

  10. Dear Aaron,

    I came across your site from some posts on facebook. I agree much on your points.

    I came from Indonesia, and there are also a lot of teachings regarding Word Of Faith, prosperity theology, hyper grace, and so on.
    You are right, one of the main reason is bad hermeneutics, which is over-realised eschatology.

    The other reason I observed, is the incorrect distinction between Old Testament and New Testament. While OT blessing is about here and now, NT blessing is salvation. NT doesn’t promise health and wealth in the current life (for instance). That’s why all the apostles and early church went to persecution instead of rising to be leaders of their era.

    One of my main concern on JP is that although he seems to differentiate between law and gospel, the difference he make is always off point.

    If you so kindly continue with this series of post, have faith (attacks will come from the proponent), and be sure that you are blessing some of us.

    Will follow your site more often now 🙂

  11. Pronouncement of Perfect Health is against the fallen nature resulted from the fall. No one can reverse the order after the pronouncement of curse in Genesis 3:17.

    However, God in His mercy heals and delivers His people as we return to Him by faith until the full cost of the curse was bore by Christ in His atonement death when divine healing spiritually and physically were made available to all who believe in Him.

    The most biblical proof for divine healing according to apostle Paul is not unconditional according to Romans 8:11; for he said, “And IF the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of His Spirit who lives in you.”

    Like our salvation, divine healing is a foretaste of the kingdom to come. it’s our faith leads us there and we are already in it but not yet complete. As our salvation awaits full redemption (Ephesians 1:13-14), our physical healing reveals the glory of God and affirms our new glorified body at resurrection.

  12. Pronouncement of Perfect Health is against the fallen nature resulted from the fall. No one can reverse the order after the pronouncement of curse in Genesis 3:17.

    However, God in His mercy heals and delivers His people as we return to Him by faith until the full cost of the curse was bore by Christ in His atonement death when divine healing spiritually and physically were made available to all who believe in Him.

    The most biblical proof for divine healing according to apostle Paul is not unconditional according to Romans 8:11; for he said, “And IF the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of His Spirit who lives in you.”

    Like our salvation, divine healing is a foretaste of the kingdom to come. it’s our faith leads us there and we are already in it but not yet complete. As our salvation awaits full redemption (Ephesians 1:13-14), our physical healing reveals the glory of God and affirms the new glorified body at resurrection.

    Joseph Prince’s theology on Health is over simplified to the extent that it sends the wrong message, risks misinterpretation (for those who are in desperate need for hope). He delivered it
    without sensitivity and sensibility.

  13. hi, i hope to add clarity and not criticism here. Since the pronoun is used as an argument, one should or we should use the pronoun “we” or “us” in the right context. E.g i just used “one should or we should” – this is used in a context called “editorial” or in an “author” mode. Another e.g when speaking politely and trying not to be offensive, we use ” If we claim to have fellowship with Him and we are in darkness, we lied”….we certainly will not use “If you claim to have fellowship…..and you are in darkness…you lied”. that would be too abrasive and not gentle at all. So there may be more than 1 meaning or context when “we” is used. In terms of context, an important principle in interpretation is to understand the passage in the context of the author’s time – both the historical & cultural setting .In this case, if this letter 1 John was written to a large mix audience with gnostic or docetic beliefs (could this be possibly be because John addressed the first few verses with testimony and affirmation to the material person Jesus is in that John and his disciples not only saw but “our hands have touched”..) and John could be addressing them first about their wrong beliefs as “in darkness”. It was during his last days that docetism was already seeping into the church and this became more rampant into the 2nd century.

    So the “we” may also be seen in the context that the audience could be “little children” who are true Christians, as well as believers with heretical views.

    Another point to note is that 1 John was written about 50 or more years after Christ. IF this was so important for all Christians to practice else they are not forgiven their sins and so cannot be in fellowship with God…there must have been an entire two generations or more of Christians between AD 34 to maybe AD 85 (??) that is not in fellowship with God??? They have not been confessing their sins all these while – so will they (those who even seen Christ and probably heard Him speak to them in the period of the messiah’s ministry on earth) be forever blocked off and be in darkness??

    One of the key principles of good hermeneutics is that verses should support and explain other verses. Nowhere can this be found to support this verse for Christian living. No where in any part of the gospels or other letters have this “commandment” of 1 John 1:9. In all gospels and letters, confession is made of the name Jesus or God…”if you confess with your tongue that Jesus is Lord”…..”…Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God….”For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.”. There is confession of sins to one another…

    Another key point to note is that “your sins are forgiven past, present and future” is not a strange or heretic thing – you can check that many mainstream evangelical churches in Singapore and around the world holds this tenet. It may not be uncomfortable if you consider the fact that Christ died for your sins before you were born more than 2 thousand years ago…your sins are already forgiven when you believe in Him – therefore the time aspect is actually your perspective of past, present and future….as far as He is concerned – you and for all time – in the past for those who depended on the blood of bulls and other animal sacrifices, the present disciples and followers when He just died for them as well as you, the future that is not yet born are ALL forgiven when you make the step to confess Him as Saviour and Lord. Therefore, in our limited perspective, not God’s, we are limiting the effectiveness of His forgiveness throughout time.

    Another point: you sinned and confessed your sin. Good transaction – if the mechanism is that God suddenly forgiven you again, never mind how sincere you are. Then you sin again, and you confess again. What is the point? Can you guarantee that every time you confess, it is with a contrite heart? Or so you thought…then after a while, when you repeat your sin again…how should you behave in order to “earn” that forgiveness again?? After reflecting on this sincerely, I hope you understand why this temporary out-of-fellowship concept is not tenable as you will be forever in the do-and-undo state….where is that leading your Christian life of victory?

    Does it mean we can continue sinning? What many preachers would warn against the license to sin. No, in fact, when you know the love of God and His grace, you may still sin (but now sin have no dominion over you even though you still manifest these habits) but slowly you will be transform by the power of His Spirit. Preachers think it is their job to make sure you rein in your behaviour by telling you …”you better watch it”….but it is God’s workmanship…not man’s effort …man have no part in the transformation but only to believe God’s goodness and love as He has demonstrated by giving His Son. Hope this helps.

  14. Heyhey Eyanky:) I was just reading through,but i felt wrong if I didn’t comment. Firstly I think the problem is not with “your future sins are forgiven”,but it’s when he encourages people not to confess sin and ask God for forgiveness. I mean, always see it from relationship’s perspective. For example, Even if a child knows his father would forgive him anyway, would it mean he shouldn’t say sorry if he makes mistake, say, he breaks his father’s gadget? Apologizing is more like having 2-way relationship with God. And i think all in all, it’s never about can/should/must we do something – but rather, we have to seek our hearts and check our intentions. And reflect whether this will be what He desires.

  15. Hi Liz, i totally agree with you that apologizing is in order for a mess up. Yes, we all do that in the natural world. We say sorry to our loved ones, friends and colleagues when we offend, made mistakes and is the cause of a problem. In fact, we say sorry to people we do not know well or even strangers when we cause an offense or accident. In most of these cases, we have no expectation that the other person(s) will accept our apologies. But in some events in our lives, we seek forgiveness for something we wronged a person(s). If you think about this, actually this human act to seek forgiveness is not for the benefit of the person offended but only for our own conscience, to be able to sleep better.

    In the case of our Heavenly Father, we have already forgiveness of sins through His Son. It is settled once in time (or through a period of time for some) when we turned to Him and asked for forgiveness when we accepted the Lord. What happens after that is no longer seeking forgiveness when we wronged or grieved His Spirit. We say sorry or apologize but do not expect our Father to forgive us all over again. We do not expect our Father to continue in a strained relationship until we say sorry (some of our earthly fathers might) – our Abba has shown us this clearly in the Parable of the Prodigal Son in that “…. when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him. 15.21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son. 15.22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, ….. “. Scripture did not say the father waited for the son to ask for forgiveness…in fact, the father did not even wait for the son to apologize. This is how great the love of our Father is! Why He loves us so, we never know on earth. (Another verse to support this: Rom 5:8 – But God showed his great love for us by sending Christ to die for us while we were still sinners). Notice also the son’s motive for coming home to his father’s house – it was not that he is repentant or contrite – he is actually motivated by a hungry stomach…not really sorry for what he did…no wonder the Scripture declares that God is love!

    So the confession after we know we are forgiven does not bring anything new but a ritual. The miracle for forgiveness has already been made perfect through the cross and we claimed this forgiveness when we accepted the Lord. But to turn away from our sin and focus our heart and mind towards Christ is how we should respond instead. If we messed up, we can still say sorry to our Father for we have grieved His Spirit. But there is no more forgiveness to seek since it was already given once for all to us who believed in Him.

  16. Hi Aaron,

    I agree with you the Spirit convicts…But who does He convicts? Does the Spirit convicts the believer?

    John 16:
    8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment:
    9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me;
    10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer;
    11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. [ESV]

    The Spirit convicts those in the world who do not believe in Him (verse 8)
    The Spirit convicts those in the world who doubt righteousness can be obtained through Christ the Son (verse 10)
    The Spirit convicts those in the world who doubt that the ruler of this world is judged (verse 11)

    Does the Spirit convicts the believer of anything? No, the Spirit is a Comforter to the believer. The believer is sealed with the Spirit (Eph 4:30)

    Hope that makes the Spirit’s role in conviction clearer.

  17. @Eyanky
    Hey thanks for sharing your thoughts. Ive heard someone say the exact same thing as what you have written almost word for word with the same verses to back up your point tt forgiveness is irrelevant to a Christian and something that is nothing more than a religious act that has no use to a Christian since Christ has already died for our sins past present and future. The person i talked to would go so far as to say tt asking God for forgiveness is unnecessary and that saying tt 1 John 1: 9 applies only to agnostics.
    But i simply cannot agree. Because there is no verse in the bible that puts a clause that states that 1 john 1: 9 only applies to agnostics. I thus believe tt 1 john 1:9 refers to not only prebelieving Christians but to Christians alike.
    I guess.. When i hear what you write, it feels like a copy and paste from pastor JP. So i guess it is nothing new.

  18. The Lutherans, cmiiw, puts the term more precise, that we are simultaneously just and sinner.
    As to such we are still sinners and to confess our sins every time, but during the judgement day, we are justified by grace through faith of Jesus died on the cross, not through our works.

  19. Hi Richard,
    I guess its difficult to make a case for oneself when there is so much coming from just one JP! Of course there are others like Rob Rufus, Paul Ellis and others in the grace movement too that says the same thing too. Also the recently fallen Tchivijian. But at the end, each of us have to study it just like the Bereans, and see for ourselves what is true or not. It is not regurgitation (for that would be cultic) as what we believe may have eternal impact.

    I would ask that we look at the verses before (ie v 8) and after 1 John 1:9 (ie v 10). What kind of audience you think it was addressed to?

    v 8 “If we claim to be without sin…..” – will a believer claim he/she has no sin?
    v10 “If we claim we have not sinned….” – again, does it sound like John was addressing a believer?

    In real life, how would this play out??

    How then will a believer pray when he/she sinned?
    I would pray this way for a particular situation: “Lord, i am sorry i messed up again this time. I have offended this brother and i am really in the wrong. Thank you that you have forgiven me on the cross (affirming to myself that I am already forgiven…not ask for forgiveness). Lord, I ask for your help to restore this relationship with my brother” and this is not based on 1 John 1:9.

    How would an unbeliever pray? And its the sinner’s prayer to become a believer:
    This was reportedly from Billy Graham: “Dear Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner*, and I ask for Your forgiveness**. I believe You died for my sins and rose from the dead. I turn from my sins and invite You to come into my heart and life. I want to trust and follow You as my Lord and Savior. In Your Name. Amen”. and this is based on 1 John 1:9

    * v 8 & 10 – Now acknowledges that he/she has sins and/or is a sinner.
    ** v 9 – the very first time an unbeliever asked for forgiveness from God – so “He is faithful and just to forgive us….cleanse us from all unrighteousness” Not mercy is pleaded for sin confessed but justice is served because God will forgive because of Christ. And because of Christ, we are made righteous.

    Hope that helps.

  20. Gonna be gone to celebrate my 10th wedding anniversary in Japan with my wife soon so, short one. 😀

    Appreciate the continuing dialogue. Here’s my quick response. 1 John 1:9 is for believers. It’s iron-clad. The whole context of 1 John (the entire book) demands it. Because the apostle John addresses two groups of people using two different terms: us/you and they. Read the whole epistle and notice when he shifts terms when addressing believers and when he is not.

    Also, with all due respect to Pastor Prince, he has set up a caricature of 1 John 1:9 that strips it of its original intent. The verse was not meant to foster in believers a spirit of paranoia where every unconfessed sin would seem to rob us of our salvation. Rather, it was meant to give us the assurance that when we do confess our sins, we can bank on God’s forgiveness and cleansing.

    Listen to the New Bible Commentary (a pretty awesome commentary if you are just starting out btw!)…
    1:8-9 The second error. 8 John puts the second error simply: if we claim to be without sin. More literally this is ‘if we say that we have no sin’, an unusual expression (found elsewhere Jn. 9:41; 15:22, 24; 19:11; the NIV paraphrases). ‘To have sin’ means more than ‘to commit sin’; it refers to the inner principle of which sinful acts are the outward manifestation. Sin persists. Sin clings to the sinner. The positive statement is reinforced by a following negative, the truth is not in us (as also in the preceding and following statements). When we say that we have no sin we deceive ourselves (we certainly deceive no–one else!), and the truth is not in us. Truth is viewed dynamically; it can take up its abode in people who love truth. But to say such a false thing as that we have no sin makes it impossible for truth to dwell in us. Modern fallacies claim that sin is a disease or a weakness, something due to heredity or environment, necessity or the like; people come to regard sin as their fate, not their [p. 1400] fault. Such people deceive themselves. 9 In contrast we may confess our sins. The plural is significant: we confess specific sins, not simply that we sin. And because God is faithful and just (cf. Dt. 32:4; Mi. 7:18-20; Rom. 3:25) he forgives. He can be thoroughly relied upon. Nothing is said as to the way in which he will purify us from all unrighteousness, but v 7 is still in mind. It is the blood of Jesus that cleanses. Nothing else can remove our stains.

    Amen and God bless!

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